Q. How did the National Guard on the campus treat you before May 4?

A. Well, there were about 1200 guards in total; 800 on the campus and 400 in the city of Kent. Actually, about 90% of the guards acted civilly towards us, but there were some that were hostile. Some of the Guardsmen harassed us, both the male and female students. People were clubbed, and someone was stabbed.

Q. What was it like before the chaos at the demonstration on May 4?

A. It was a beautiful spring morning, we were expecting to have a brief, casual rally; we didn't think anything bad would happen.  We weren't doing anything threatening to them.  However, around 12.00 noon, they started throwing tear gas and they got out their guns. At that point we started to get frightened and run.

Q. Were you injured?

A. Yes, I was shot through the right wrist, a fairly serious injury.

Q. How did people treat you afterwards?

A. Most were sympathetic, but some were mean spirited and hateful because they didn’t understand what had happened and why.

Q. Were you scared?

A. Not really, not until they started to aim their rifles at us. Even at that point I didn’t think they’d shoot. What we were doing was not serious enough for them to shoot sixty-seven shots into a group of unarmed students. When I was shot, I was 225 feet away.

Q. How do you feel about how Kent State is treated in history today?

A. Well, today few people still try to defend the guard or even the Vietnam War. As time has passed it has gotten better.